Solar Energy Projects for Sustainability & Community - Uptime Logistics
Today on Uptime Logistics, Doug Draper of ACME Distribution and the Denver Transportation Club dives into the world of renewable energy development - specifically business-driven and community solar projects. To help explore this topic, Doug is joined by expert guest Jonathan Rogers. Jonathan is the Renewable Energy Specialist working with Denver’s Office of Climate Action, Sustainability, and Resiliency.
They discuss the role of cities as major centers of energy consumption - and therefore cities as major contributors to energy related emissions. This highlights the important opportunity cities have to partner with stakeholders such as businesses and nonprofits. Together, they can collaboratively lead the way with policies, incentives, programs, and education designed to improve sustainable energy production and access. Denver is a leading advocate and example to look to as more cities are looking to transition to the future of reliable, affordable, and carbon-free energy systems.
The conversation ranges from the types of solar power generation, battery storage technology, and the electification of buildings and transportation systems. For companies like CAP Logistics, on-site solar is a great option for commercial buidlings with the available roof space to install solar panels. Another exciting project Jonathan shares invloves a city partnership with Denver Botanic Gardens Chatfield Farm building a four-acre site that produces 1.2 megawatts of solar energy - enough for over 250 homes in need above and beyond the entire electrical needs of the farm itself. Studies show the solar panels actually help control temperature and water evaporation on a functional farm where the food grown will be donated and distributed to local food pantries. The program also provides job training programs (including Veteran outreach) and general education to its 190,000 annual visitors to the site.
Photo by Jintak Han, The Denver Post. Read the Denver Post article about the Denver Botanic Gardens project here.
Jonathan and his colleagues have been a helpful resource in guiding CAP Logistics through the process of doing research on options and best practices to install solar power. He and the rest of the the city, state, and utility (Xcel in Colorado) have all been very helpful in guiding CAP’s investments in sustainable energy production. They’ve also helped with guidance for how to give the excess electrical capacity to neighbors in need. Learn more about that program at Energy Outreach Colorado.
CAP Logistics believes it’s good business to be a good neighbor. We also encourage others to listen to this episode and visit Denver’s websites to learn and follow best practices in order to make the most impact for our local communities - and our world.
A big thanks to Jonathan for sharing his time and expertise with our audience. His passion and knowledge are readily apparent, and we’re grateful to have met him and have him serving our city. An ounce of education goes a long way, and we’re excited to help share the word!
Learn more at:
https://www.denvercenter.org/news-center/denver-botanic-gardens-tackles-climate-change
Jonathan Rogers
Energy@denvergov.org
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Doug Draper 0:06
Hello, thank you for joining us today on Uptime Logistics. I am your host, Doug Draper, and Uptime Logistics is powered by CAP Logistics. So please reach out to those guys at caplogistics.com if you have any transportation logistics needs, but the most important topic today, I'm super excited about it, we're going to be talking about renewable energy, specifically solar, and how that integrates with our daily lives and our business world as well. So, really, Denver is working to enable sustainable and resilient, climate safe future really by collaborating with departments and other units of government, and community partners, which is what we're going to talk about today. I didn't know this, but cities generate about 70% of global greenhouse gases. So this is a very relevant topic. And today, specifically, we're going to talk about programs and services that helped make Denver one of the healthiest and most sustainable places to live. A little bit of background, some case studies and maybe answer some of your questions. So I am certainly not the expert. We have one with us. And it's Jonathan Rogers is with the Office of climate action, sustainability and resiliency. That's a mouthful, my friend Jonathan, welcome to our show. How you doing?
Jonathan Rogers 1:25
Thanks so much for having me. It's great to be here. Yeah, looking forward to the conversation.
Doug Draper 1:30
Good, good, good. Well, before we get into the meat of the show, we always like to learn about our guests and, and go from there. So tell us about yourself kind of where you grew up, things you're passionate about, and then we'll jump into it. So let us know. Sure. Thanks. So
Jonathan Rogers 1:46
I'm Jonathan Rogers, but feel free to call me Johnny. I'm the renewable energy specialist for the city and county of Denver in our office of climate action, sustainability and resiliency. Absolutely a mouthful. But, you know, effectively, my role is to figure out and work with our partners on how do we transition Denver's energy systems to provide a reliable, affordable and carbon free future. And as you mentioned, cities are a big source of climate emissions. And it's going to take all of us working together to figure out how do we add solar battery storage? Now? How do we connect with electrified buildings and forms of transportation, better manage our energy resources and ensure that we can have sustainable power for generations to come? So before my role with the city, and I really got into climate action work, doing a master's program focused on growing algae to make biofuels? So I was working in a lab, growing different strains of algae and figuring out how do we stroke extract that oil to try to make more sustainable forms of transportation, or using that oil to make things like bio plastics that can help to offset you know, the various components in a barrel of petroleum. Now, when I came out of my master's program, I wasn't super optimistic about algae potential for transportation. But I loved the idea of really getting into the weeds on trying to figure out, you know, what are the technical solutions that we need for the climate crisis? And how do we make sure that they are scalable and economically viable. So I ended up working for a number of years for a consulting firm in Washington, DC, working with the US Department of Energy in their bio energy technologies office. They're also technology transitions, where we tried to help bring cutting edge tech from the National Laboratories into the commercial space, and also began writing climate action plans for states and local governments, because they tried to figure out what their role was in the energy transition is in the right place at the right time in Denver, to be able to take on the lead of this role in our climate office, the first person who has been tasked with really trying to come up with this coordinated strategy on how do we decarbonize our energy systems, both for our municipal facilities, as well as for the broader community, and the state and regional networks that were a part of.
Doug Draper 4:12
That's great. The pedigree and resume is impressive, Johnny, you and I didn't talk about that before. So I've just been working in warehouses most of my life, so I'm very impressed with everything. And I'm excited because you have a really genuine way of explaining some of the technology around solar, how it engages with community in a very simple way. I think our audience will appreciate that so So let's kind of jump into it man. What, you know, whenever we talk about, you know, terminology and things that nature sometimes I think it's good just to kind of start at the very beginning. And as simple as this question sounds like talk about the different types of solar that are being utilized here in Colorado.
Jonathan Rogers 4:57
Absolutely. So when we think about you know, the the utility system that we're part of, there's a whole number of ways that, you know, we can add power to it. And then a number of ways in which customers can access that power in Denver were served by a monopoly utility, Xcel Energy. So they operate, you know, the utility scale grid, they're bringing on large projects that gets selected through their electric resource plan, which happens on you know, a five year cycle. But for customers like Denver and other commercial businesses, or residents who might have more ambitious clean energy goals, we want to figure out how do we go farther faster. So that's where on site solar can play a really big role. You know, if you have space on your rooftop, or you know, a parking lot that can handle covered parking, kind of solar canopies, or, you know, maybe your, you know, our Denver airport, for example, has a lot of land where we're able to build solar, all of that can connect back to your location, provide power through your electrical meter, and then help to offset your utility costs. Now, not every customer has space on their roof, or a nice big parking lot or, you know, land adjacent to their facility, something to think about, Well, where else can I source that clean power from Colorado, I think his background in 2013, the community solar program was formed. So that means that a community solar developer, can apply to Xcel Energy to build a solar project, somewhere on their distribution system, connect that power back to the grid, every kilowatt hour that gets produced, gets counted, an equivalent number of Bill credits is available to that community solar project. And then what they can do his work with different subscribers, say, hey, we want to credit that power to your account. So if you don't have you know, space on your roof, or you know, somewhere on your property, you can buy into a community solar garden, help support, adding that clean power to the grid, somewhere where it's going to make a positive impact, and receive that credit as a savings on your utility bill.
Doug Draper 7:12
Gotcha. So on on site, two types you just spoke about on site that's really for powering my specific location, right. And, and then the community solar is more you buy into it, and then they distribute. Like you said, kind of credits and net metering back. That's kind of the difference between the two. Yeah, and the way that,
Jonathan Rogers 7:35
you know, we like to think about it with our programs is now we need as much clean power coming onto the grid, as we can get, as we need the whole system to get closer to 100%. Renewable energy, when you build it on site, you might be able to tap into some additional benefits of it, you're using that power now, right where you're producing it. So becomes a an ideal situation where maybe you want a couple of with battery storage, you know, maybe you have a electric vehicle charger, where you want to take the power from your rooftop solar panels, put it into your vehicle, that technology is actually getting to the point where you might be able to send power from your vehicle back into your building. So there's a number of resiliency benefits associated with on site solar, that you might not get with the off site or community solar approach. But then there's, you know, on the flip side, some benefits with community solar in terms of the ability to distribute those Bill credits. And as I'll talk about in Denver's programs of being able to target them towards nonprofits or low income households who could really benefit from those bills, savings, just kind of killing two birds with one stone, adding clean power to the grid, and providing targeted Bill credits to help folks relieve their energy burden.
Doug Draper 8:53
Oh, that's great. So I know that folks around us have seen solar on residential roofs and some of our listeners may actually have solar solar panels on their roofs. But this is specific kind of took the commercial application. So a few way that commercial customers can go solar and how they share those benefits. You spoke about it just a second ago, but I'd like to dive a little bit a little bit deeper. So if I'm a landlord and I own a building, or I rent my space, and I may want to have a pitch to my landlord about sustainable options for energy, talking about the commercial building use, let's start there.
Jonathan Rogers 9:33
Sure, thanks. So you know, if you're a commercial customer you're interested in going solar. If you have the space at your site, I think onsite solar is a great option. The way that those customers are compensated is through something called net metering. So effectively Xcel Energy or use your utility is going to count how much power is flowing from the grid back to you as a customer. And then when your solar panels are producing, obviously, you won't be pulling as much power from the grid. And there might be certain times of the day or where you're actually sending power back to the grid. And when that happens, your utility meter will actually run in reverse. So at the end of the month, they're going to keep track of, okay, how much did you pull from us? How much did you send back? What's the net amount, and that's all that you're gonna get charged for. So it's a great way to offset your utility costs. And at least the programs that are set up in Colorado and Xcel Energy service territory, it's a really low barrier for participation, really, any customer can submit an application saying, Hey, I'm moving forward with this solar project, there'll be a interconnection agreement that effectively just says, you know, hey, we're going to make sure that when our solar project connects to the grid, it's going to play nicely, you know, we're using standard equipment and utility approved technology, really, any solar developer out there is going to make sure that you're connected safely, and in a way that you know, can meet the standards of the utility program. And you'll get a project up and running in no time and be able to start generating power and saving money for your facility. In short order, the community solar option is kind of hit or miss in terms of whether or not that capacity is available. There's only you know, one or two annual offerings that Xcel Energy makes for new projects, that capacity tends to go very quickly. So oftentimes, there can be, you know, long waiting periods, as to customers trying to match up with a developer, and when is that project going to come online, so they can start receiving Bill credits. So it can be tricky to time it just right. But we've certainly seen robust participation from commercial customers in Colorado, we've also seen, you know, commercial property owners that might have extra land or space available, lease that space to solar developers. In that way, they're helping to facilitate that addition of clean power to the grid. And they might get, you know, a monthly or annual lease payment for their participation in the project. That's another great way for commercial customers to participate.
Doug Draper 12:19
Yeah, yeah, not thought about that, that if you have, if you're passionate about it, and you have some land, that's another I mean, what you just described is beneficial in the big picture that I wouldn't have thought of. So I'm gonna go back to a question that popped up when we were talking about, and I'm sure our listeners have the same thing. So I own a building. And I'm in the warehouse industry. And there's lots of buildings and big warehouses with flat roofs. And I want to engage, and I'm talking to, you know, developers, but this is a pretty substantial financial undertaking, what how does that work to say, Hey, I'm going to give my roof, you know, give you access to my roof to generate power, but this thing is going to cost 5 million $10 million to get up and running, talk about those different types of situations and who pays for it? What type of programs are out there? Because there may be folks that say, I'm all in, I just don't have the money to, to engage with an on site project. So talk a little bit about that.
Jonathan Rogers 13:19
Yeah, so I mean, it depends on you know, the scale of the project, and you know, who you really want to receive the benefits of that power. And unfortunately, there's a number of different financing opportunities that are available. And, you know, we've been seeing for our municipal facilities, you know, something like a city rec center, that might be 25,000 square feet, for the building, those projects will come in, you know, a few $100,000. So it's certainly not a 5 million or a $10 million project. But of course, you know, that still is a substantial upfront investment. And it might take, you know, a number of years to pay off. I think a lot of businesses are used to saying, Hey, we're not going to do anything unless it's, you know, two or three years simple payback. You know, I think that's for each organization to make their own judgment, whether or not, you know, a 10 year payback is, you know, aligned with their goals. And knowing that, yes, the lifetime of the solar project could be 20 or 30 years, I'd say, first step is make sure that your roof is in really good condition. If you're thinking about putting solar on the roof, we really only look at roofs that have been replaced within the last two to three years, because we're trying to get the most out of this equipment. And the moment you need to pay someone to the install, repair the roof and then reinstall your solar, you eat into a lot of your utility bill savings that you might expect over that project lifetime. We also definitely see the economics are a lot better if you do have the capital to make that upfront payment. The moment you start taking out a loan from a third party and you're paying back that loan with interest. Again, that's another thing that eats into your your long term savings. But you can certainly we build economic models all the time to figure out, you know, what is our tolerance in terms of payback? You know, what do we need to be offsetting from our utility bill? Versus what interest rate do we need to get for our loan? In order for this to make sense? Or how much do we need to buy down to begin with the inflation Reduction Act that was just signed into law is a huge opportunity for commercial building owners and nonprofits alike. Now, historically, there's been an investment tax credit, that this year was at 26%, who was going to step down to 22%, that's been reset to 30% tax credit for any investment in solar and battery storage. So right there, you know, that that can help dramatically with the economics of a solar project, and big bring you from, you know, a 10 year payback to, you know, maybe five years or something like that. Now, with nonprofits and local governments, we're not, you know, taxable entities, we're tax exempt. So that's not been something that we've been able to capture in our projects. But the inflation Reduction Act has created a provision where those entities now qualify for a direct payment, equivalent to the investment tax credit. So the details are still being worked out by the IRS or whoever it is, that's going to kind of facilitate that program for the feds. But we're really excited, we had $20 million worth of solar projects lined up that are going to be installed over the next year, on city and county of Denver property. Now, if we're able to capture 30% of that back, that just opens up with a huge opportunity for us to continue to invest in our program and drive both our climate and equity goals forward.
Doug Draper 16:49
Now like to hear that, you have a team that can do you know, a financial assessment, if you will, I can remember the exact terminology used a minute ago, but if I'm a owner of a building, and I'm like, Okay, this is gonna cost X number of dollars, and immediately turn off and say that's not viable. But it sounds like, you know, hey, talk about it, work through the options, there's other things out there and other programs, and the fact that you can walk through the individuals and the owners. That's pretty cool. I didn't, I didn't realize that that service was available. So that's great that you identify that. Yeah,
Jonathan Rogers 17:25
I mean, I'd say definitely, you know, reach out to, you know, if you're a city and county of Denver building reach out to us, we want to help people, you know, with their clean energy goals. And nonprofits in particular, you know, we have programs that the city funds specifically to help organizations go. So we really focus on, you know, who are the nonprofits that are providing critical services in their communities, places like, you know, health clinics, fordable housing providers, food, pantries, homeless shelters, locations, where we really want to make sure that in the event of a grid outage or some kind of catastrophe, you can continue to provide services. And you know, that 99% of the time that that's not the case, we're, you know, we're just normal operations, how do we help you lower your utility bills, your operating cost, so that you can invest more in your services for the community that that depends on you. So we have our renewables and resilience incentive program for nonprofits. We've got 10 contracts underway right now. One of which, with an organization called servicios de la rasa. They're the largest provider of Health and Human Services for Latinos in the state of Colorado. And we're working with them on a 35 kilowatt solar project with to bidirectional Evie chargers 100%, paid for by our office. And then we work with them over time to really, you know, collect the data and evaluate the benefits that this solar project this implementation of distributed energy resources provides to them as an organization we try to strive for how do we ensure that they can continue to provide services no matter what happens on the system. And just really support them as an organization going forward. So if you're a nonprofit out there, and that's, you know, something that you feel like, Hey, I, I provide critical services to my community, you know, call us up, find my contact information, I'm sure that we can get it in the shownotes for people will drop some links to our programs. But that's a great one that we encourage folks to take advantage of. And then if you're a commercial building, and you're wondering, you know, hey, how can I go solar, and also get back to my community? Now, we can certainly help with that. And there's a great example from CAP logistics that I'd be happy to talk about. If that's the right time for
Doug Draper 19:53
Oh, for sure. It's just we're having a great conversation. So yeah, I think examples help tell a story We're better than anything else. And so I'm glad that you brought that up. So, you know, Cap reached out and said, Hey, we want to we want to do better and do good. And they did exactly what you're talking about. So yeah, why don't you elaborate what transpired? Talk a little bit about the timing, funding, all that kind of good stuff. So perfect timing, Johnny, let it rip, man talk about the project with cab.
Jonathan Rogers 20:20
Awesome. Yeah. So this is, like you said exactly the type of example that, you know, we get excited about when a commercial building approaches us and says, Hey, we got this big rooftop, you know, you've got a warehouse. And you know, we've done the math, we can put solar on it, and it's going to cover 150% of our needs. And now, you know, they also recognize, you know, Cap logistics, this is exactly the type of example that we want to see folks setting, they also want to be a good neighbor, you know, realizing that extra power, and they could either not build it, or, you know, what do they do with it? How do they make the most productive use of that extra power. And so Colorado State law actually allows any excess solar power that's generated on a commercial or residential property can be donated to low income households, at the end of each year. There's an organization that's been set up energy outreach Colorado, they're a kind of state formed nonprofit that provides energy related services for low income households, things like go payment assistance, you know, weatherization services, you know, they're helping, when somebody's furnace breaks in the middle of the winter, they figure out how to how to keep those families warm. So they can work with an organization like cap and say, Alright, you know, you're in the Swansea neighborhood, we have a number of families here who could really benefit from your excess power, and here's how we're going to make sure that, you know, it flows to them, so that they don't get their power shut off, because they are struggling to make a bill payment. Now you can help get them through what might might be one of the most challenging moments of their lives, and, you know, be a really good neighbor. So we're helping the climate, and we're helping our neighbors. And that's how really everybody's going to win in our energy transition, and hopefully, more folks follow Capps lead as they think about the solar configuration that makes the most sense for their facilities.
Doug Draper 22:25
That's terrific. So one question that I I threw out when you and I first met, and we were talking a little bit, and I initially, Well, the answer, it makes a complete sense. So my question was, alright, so I have excess power. And I'm passionate about this nonprofit, and I want my power to go from my building directly to that nonprofit, because personal connections or whatever there may be, you're passionate about that organization. So we talked about that. And that's not really viable, but talk. So I guess explain to our audience, because I kind of already know the answer, but I thought it was a phenomenal answer and explanation. So I want this power to go specifically to this entity, talk about if that's possible, and then talk about how the organization makes it makes it happen. So
Jonathan Rogers 23:12
yeah, so it depends on the program. Unfortunately, if it's, you know, rooftop solar project connected to your utility meter, which is the easiest way to get solar on your building is through that kind of on site, behind the meter type project, then anything you produce in excess, you're going to work with energy outreach Colorado to get it to low income households, specifically, now, they may have some ability in the way that the law is written, then the utility rules and regulations are set up to try to funnel that power to, you know, your nonprofit of choice. But really, they're gonna look at, you know, we've got households who are falling behind on utility bills, people who are, you know, really struggling to make ends meet. And so it's kind of a need based allocation of we're going to help those who really need it the most. And, you know, I assume that they'll be able to work with entities to try to ensure that that benefit stays local. So if you're, you know, a local organization in a particular neighborhood, and you want to make sure that that benefit stays there, that energy, Irish, Colorado is fantastic, and they can help you do so at the community solar program is where you can get much more specific and really identify the exact utility account that you want to receive power. And as I mentioned earlier, it's a much more competitive program, and very hard to actually get approval for projects. And we're very fortunate in Denver that we've received approval for 11 projects, the first 10 of which are a portfolio of around downtown. A number of parking lots for city rec centers, public high schools, to rooftops at the National Western Center and to ground mounted trackers out at the Denver Airport. We're, and we formed a partnership with Denver Public Schools, saying, Hey, we really want to make sure that we're maximizing the benefit of the power that we're donating back to the community, can you help us out. So their Family and Community Engagement Office has about 1000 families every year, that approach them who are falling behind on utility bills, you know, at risk of being disconnected from utility service. And you know, when you've got kids in school, and you're trying to make ends meet, that's a existential crisis, like, like, I can't believe in the amount of stress that that might put on a family or on those, those students who might have their entire world turned upside down. So our program is going to be donating power to those families, identified by Denver Public Schools, the power donation facilitated by energy outreach Colorado, you know, really helping helping folks keep the lights on. So we're really excited, excited by that. And then our 11th project, and it takes things a step further, where we're actually partnering with Denver Botanic Gardens, building a four acre farm down at their Chatfield farms location. So the 1.2 megawatt solar array going up on that farm, we'll be able to provide power to over 250 Denver Public School families in need. In addition to meeting the entirety of the electrical load requirements at the Denver Botanic Gardens location, the the Botanic Gardens folks are going to be operating that farm, donating food crops to local food pantries, creating job training programs as they do. So they've got a great program for getting veterans, you know, kind of hands in the dirt, you know, reconnecting with the Earth, we have about 190,000 visitors a year that come through that site. So we're really trying to use it as a public education opportunity, really highlighting, what's it going to take for us to address food energy and water security. Early tests have shown that having the solar panels above the crops actually help with moisture retention in the soil. And as our summers have been getting hotter, the climate is getting more arid, can be pretty critical towards helping increase agricultural yields, and might be a model for the future that we really hope is that scalable, and I at a much bigger scale across the country.
Doug Draper 27:36
Yeah, those are things that I wouldn't have even thought of, you know, our listeners, maybe like, I didn't even think that, you know, soil and helping with crop growth is a benefit of just generating power. So I'm glad that you mentioned that. I'm going to shift gears for a second and talk about the future. Right? I know, we always kind of looked five years out, seven years out. I know that technology has come a long way. So let's fast forward five years out. What are things looking like? And whether that's technology advancements, program advancements? And what things do we have to look forward to, to continue to provide these services that we're discussing?
Jonathan Rogers 28:15
Absolutely, I think, you know, as the grid gets cleaner, and we're adding more solar, more wind more clean power, it's gonna get really important to manage when that power is available. So I think we're going to start to see a shift in our programs towards that battery storage and thinking about, alright, not just how do we add more panels to the grid, but how do we do so in a way that's going to really maximize the resiliency benefit of, we want to put them in places where the grid can really benefit from having that power, next to locations that might double as emergency shelters, or places like hospitals, other critical infrastructure, where you want them to always have a reliable source of power, and then really trying to couple those systems with the storage technologies that continue to come down and cost and improve and performance. So that we can ensure that, you know, when the sun shines during the day, we can use that power overnight as well. And likewise, as you know, the grid might have big influx of you know, wind capacity at some point, you know, just how are we moving those resources around to really get us to that carbon free future. It's it's a challenge right now that these resources are available, they're plentiful, but then there might be moments where, okay, the sun's not shining, and the winds not blowing and, you know, Excel has to turn on their gas power plants to preserve system reliability. Those are the kinds of challenges that we're going to have to overcome and really where our attention is going to go into shift. But along the way, we want to make sure that everyone has an opportunity to participate in the solutions that the market signals that are sent To that compensate customers for producing their own power or storing their own power are enough to really encourage them to participate. And then, you know, the folks who are out there that nonprofits who are really the pillars of their community are supported in in a number of ways.
Doug Draper 30:19
That's great. Yeah, it totally makes sense with the storage, right? I mean, there's so much electric out there. And I know electric vehicles is draws the attention in the media, for sure. But you have heard many people say, what happens when the sun is not shining? Or what happens when the wind is not blowing? So totally understand it makes sense about, about storage and managing that and making it more efficient in the future. So that's, that's terrific. So just want to wind up and make sure that our listeners understand if this has caught their attention, or they want to learn more information about how can I either as an as my company, I'm a commercial, and how can I learn more. So I may be able to provide some value in in the system and those that are in need. Talk to us, give us the lowdown on your website, best way to contact things of that nature.
Jonathan Rogers 31:09
Yeah, I think if you want to get in touch with us, check out our website, Denver. gov dot o RG slash solar, you'll find a number of resources there as well as our contact information. Reach out to us with questions we want to help people navigate. There's a number of different ways that folks can go solar, it can get overwhelming very quickly. And we want to be a resource to help you find the solution that makes the most sense for you, your business, your customers, and you know your community that you might be trying to create benefits for as well. Nonprofits I mentioned we have a great program, there's still funding available. Right now we're accepting applications to our renewables and resilience incentive program for nonprofits. And if you're interested in learning more about how Denver is using the community solar program, to really put the community back in community solar, we'll have a number of, we've got information on our website, as well as some upcoming press releases as we start to break ground on our first set of projects.
Doug Draper 32:12
That's great. Thanks for that info. You know, as I mentioned, in the beginning, Johnny, the way you can explain first of all, you're phenomenal at your job from from just hearing you and the passion that you have. But the way you simplify all these programs and really help explain how it works. I genuinely appreciate that and I know our listeners do as well. And I know the show is usually about logistics and supply chain. But this is an important topic and it's really cool a cap Logistics is doing for the benefit of the masses. So I can't thank you enough Johnny for being on the show today. I think our audiences learn quite a bit and hopefully you'll get a barrage of phone calls and inquiries here in the foreseeable future.
Jonathan Rogers 32:50
So really, again, thanks so much for having me on. And you know, I love talking about this stuff, I feel very fortunate to be in the position that I'm in trying to help create these programs and really help facilitate you know, a successful energy transition for all of us. And you know, I've I think I've figured out 1000 ways to explain all of this incorrectly and extremely confusing terms. So hopefully I keep getting getting better and better at getting the point across
Doug Draper 33:20
Yeah, you did just that a plus a plus. And I also you know as we wind up I want to thank our listeners for joining us today on uptime logistics, powered by gap logistics you can find more information about the show in the description below. Don't forget to like and subscribe and you know visit cap logistics and learn more about the projects they're doing. So again, Johnny really appreciate it. I know our listeners did as well and look forward to speaking to the uptime logistics nation in the future. Thanks again everybody. Take care